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flags submitted in 2008

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Below is a series of images of flags that have been provided to FOTW; some we have recognized, and some we have been unable to recognize. If you can help us identify any of these flags, please let us know! Contact the: UFE Editor.

Identification Key:

= Positive ID (Positive Identification)
= Tentative ID (Tentative Identification)
= Some Speculation

Flags on this page

  1. Six-Pointed Blue Star on White Pennant
  2. Blue Minuteman Silhouette
  3. Five Flags from Quantico Y.C.
  4. D-Pennant
  5. Flags on USS Wahoo
  6. Unidentified European Flag with Hawk
  7. First Nations Flag in Manitoba
  8. Flag on Lighter
  9. Embroidered Red Flag
  10. Green Swallowtail with Pistols
  11. Dutch Flag with Blue Cross
  12. Burgee with Cat
  13. Sailfish on Blue-White-Blue Field
  14. Blue with Three Yellow Stars
  15. Blue, White Diamond, B
  16. Four Flags on Badges
  17. Three White Crescents on Green Field
  18. German Yacht Club Burgee
  19. Blue Swiss Flag
  20. Indian Political Flag
  21. Two Badges
  22. Knights of Malta Flag

Flags on other pages


1. Six-Pointed Blue Star on White Pennant

     
First Image from Tom Pountney, 7 January 2008    Image by Pete Loeser, 19 January 2010

I have a small porcelain ashtray with a 6-pointed blue star on a white triangular pennant. I am guessing that it is a shipping line, but I cannot identify which one it belongs to. Most of the flags containing stars are 5-pointed ones; I wonder if you know any 6-pointed stars that match this description?
Tom Pountney, 7 January 2008

This pennant is also shown on the left of the "Three Flag Pins" submitted by Julian Purser, 12 September 2007.
Pete Loeser, 19 January 2010


2. Blue Minuteman Silhouette Positive ID

  Image by Greg Hunter, 19 February 2008

From all the information I have received so far, I believe this flag is a post [US] Civil War Flag, sometime between (1870's & 1920's). Could be somehow associated with War Bonds - however, prior to 1932. "Handed down from my Great-Great-Grandfather is this large flag that I would like identified. The flag is beige, a blue Minuteman silhouetted in the center and a blue star in each corner. A red with white background shield in enter of Minuteman. My GG Grandfather was a Civil War Vet (62nd Ohio), and died in 1932." Additional information I just uncovered that might be helpful clues as to this flag's origin:

  •  My 2G Grandfather, Peter Palmer LUCAS, became a Charter member on March 31, 1883, of the "Morgan Post, G.A.R." (The Grand Army of the Republic). The Post was chartered and named in honor of Charles Morgan who died in the Battle of Fort Donelson. Charles MORGAN was an uncle to P.P. Lucas's son-in-law.
  • More of P.P. LUCAS's Civil War unit. I believe he entered as a Private and exited as a Corporal. 62nd Ohio Infantry, 62nd Regiment, Ohio Infantry, Company C. Film Number: M552 roll 66.
  • There is a chance he was attached to the 17 Ohio Infantry (3 months, 1861) Regiment name expanded: 17th Regiment, Ohio Infantry. Company E. Film Number: M552 roll 66.
  • Also, could have been with the 67th Regiment, Ohio Infantry, Company I, Rank Out: Corporal, film number: M552 roll 66.
  • P.P. Lucas was a "Justice of the Peace" for Illiopolis, Sangamon Co., IL., for 53 years before his death in 1932.
  • P.P. Lucas became a Mason on November 2, 1867 when the Illiopolis Masonic Lodge was formed. He was elected Senior Warden. In 1899 he became "Grand Master."
  • Illiopolis, Illinois once had an active "American Legion Post 0508." I have not proven it, yet, but I believe P.P. Lucas was likely a member.
Greg Hunter, 19 February 2008

Unfortunately, your supposition that this is some kind of Civil War flag is not correct. The Minuteman flags were awards of the US Treasury Department during World War II for meeting or exceeding US Bond sales to pay for the war. The basic design was patented on August 18, 1942, by the Secretary of the Treasury.
Dave Martucci, 4 January 2010


3. Five Flags from Quantico Y.C. Positive IDs

Image from Robert Lang, 4 March 2008

Many burgees in the Quantico Yacht Club were lost, destroyed, soiled or damaged when Hurricane Isabel hit the QYC. We have some that we cannot identify. Any help welcome. No. 4 is not the Royal Geelong Yacht Club.
Robert Lang, Secretary, QYC, 4 March 2008

Four of these flags have now been identified:

  1. Glenmar Sailing Association, Maryland, USA
  2. San Diego Yacht Club, San Diego, CA, USA
  3. East End Yacht Club, Burlington, New Jersey, USA
  4. Real Club Nautico Torrevieja Spain
  5. Nai Kai Yacht Club (Inland Sea) Iwakuni Japan

Here is a new unknown:

Image from Robert Lang, 29 December 2008

Any help in identifying would be welcome.
Robert Lang, Secretary, QYC, 29 December 2008

This is the burgee of the "Yacht Club Alghero" in Sardinia, Italy. See their site: www.yachtclubalghero.it
Robert Lang, 24 July 2009


4. D-Pennant

Image by Karl Spence, 7 March 2008

Can you identify this shipping pennant seen on china?
Karl Spence, 7 March 2008


5. Flags on USS Wahoo Tentative ID

Image by James at Nautilus Models, 29 March 2008
[Click on flag for larger image]

I have been trying to identify this flag for some time now. The photo is from the USS WAHOO taken on April 6, 1945. The closest thing I can guess is that the two flags represent two passenger-transports sunk during the boats fifth war patrol /TAMON MARU No5 / and /TAKAO MARU/. Is it possible the flag represents the line the two ships belong to? I have searched the FOTW site for obvious answers in trying to match the flag with no luck. I have determine the /TAMON MARU No5 /belonged to the Nanyo Kaiun K.K., line of Osaka, having been sold from Osaka Shosen K.K. in 1939. Thank you for any help or clues you may provide
James, 29 March 2008

I cannot help identify the two large flags flown at the top of the hoist, which I assume are the ones in question, but can say that they are not the house flags of the two ships involved. By their size, and the fact that they are at the top of the hoist with smaller Japanese flags flying underneath, I question whether they might not be more likely to be American flags, possibly connected with the "Wahoo" itself. Was there a procedure for flying flags to represent sinkings when the submarine returned to port?
Neale Rosanoski, 21 August 2008

According to the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, USS Wahoo (SS 38) was stricken from the Navy List on 6 Dec 1943, having been (as was later discovered) sunk with all hands on 11 Oct 1943. The second USS Wahoo wasn't commissioned until 1952. Either this photo was not taken on 6 Apr 1945 or is not of USS Wahoo. Wahoo did enter port at Midway on 6 Apr "1943," but following her fourth war patrol, not her fifth. The photo might have been taken then. Now, as to the flags: wasn't there an early form of RAF rank or appointment flag that had the RAF roundel superimposed on horizontal stripes indicating rank? The shades of black and white in the photo would be consistent with a light blue flag with blue-white-blue horizontal stripes and an RAF roundel superimposed on the center. If so, might whichever submarine this is have been carrying an RAF officer or celebrating a rescue of one (or two)? That's the only theory I can come up with.
Joe McMillan, 23 August 2008

Just for general information, there is a website on the USS Wahoo at http://www.usswahoo.org/Tyskaorden2 that might help a little.
Pete Loeser, 29 January 2010


6. European Flag with Hawk

The front room of my flat opens onto the Great North Road, a major highway in the North of England, and I often sit and watch the different forms of road transport which pass by and stop at the traffic signal about twenty meters from my window. About ten minutes ago I saw a large HGV [semi-trailer] bearing a flag on its side which I have never seen before. The tarpaulin was red, and the words HABICHT EUROPA were written along the sides in large white sans serif block lettering, while beneath this were the words SPEDITION - TRANSPORT in slightly smaller white block lettering. To the left of the word Habicht, as seen by the viewer, was a white flag attached to a black staff with a button top and with two black tasseled cords attached, while an identical flag was positioned to the right of the word EUROPA. Because of the flagstaff and cords I feel safe in describing these as flags and not simply as logos.

The flags have a white field with red fimbriation around all four sides, and are canting in that they are charged with the image of a hawk (Habicht is the German word for hawk) with wings displayed. The hawk is black, with a golden beak and talons and with red dots for eyes, a curved red tongue extending from the beak, and with black tail feathers tipped with red; there is also a large golden sans serif block letter H on the bird's breast. The hawk is shown with its head facing to the left on the flag to the left of the word HABICHT, and facing to the right on the flag to the right of the word EUROPA. There was no country identification, not even a phone/fax number or an e-mail address, either along the sides of the trailer, the rear doors (which simply had HABICHT EUROPA inscribed on them), or on the cab.
Ron Lahav, 18 April 2008


7. First Nations Flag in Manitoba

Image by David Kendall, 20 April 2008

While out on an afternoon excursion to a nearby town, Lockport, I noticed an odd flag flying outside a fast food restaurant there, along with a Canadian flag on the next pole. I was completely baffled at first, but I realized a few minutes later that red-white-yellow-black are traditional First Nations colours, and are often seen in S. Manitoba (and probably other places) to denote businesses, etc. that are geared to Aboriginals. (An aboriginal friend of mine says that the colours mean "peace.") This could possibly denote that the owner of the restaurant is Aboriginal, but what the particular flag signifies exactly, I'm not sure. Does anyone have any insight?
David Kendall, 20 April 2008


8. Embroidered Red Flag Some Speculation

Image provided by Ralf Hartemink, 16 May 2008
[Click on flag for larger image]

I wonder if you can help with this crest? It would be really helpful to find out the location as it would help me to establish where a mystery World War two youth pennant was used. I'm assuming that this is a German crest but it may also be from one of the German Reich territories 1933-1945. The number 817 refers to the unit. So far I have excluded: whole Czech Republic, region Opole (Poland), Alsace, Lorraine, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Westfalen, Hannover, Saarland, Pfalz and Hessen... My opinion is that it is actually the arms of the town (tulips) and the region (cross), which makes me think like Rheinland somewhere. But no existing arms as far as I can tell.
Ralf Hartemink, 16 May 2008

One (slight) possibility considering the character is a saint (based on the halo around his head) is that the cross is a saint's one although the colour is impossible to determine.
Marc Pasquin, 16 May 2008

My first impression is somewhere in Franconia (roughly the northern half of Bavaria). The zigzag in the left coat of arms looks very much like the "Frankenrechen" (Franconian rake), which is the Franconian coat of arms and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Frankenrechen.svg. Many locations in this region incorporate this symbol in their own coats of arms, so perhaps it might be there somewhere.
Simon Dodds, 16 May 2008


9. Flag on Lighter Positive ID

Image by Richard Hall, 29 June 2008</p>

I spent the last 4 hours trying to locate the house flag on this lighter I have. No such luck...can you please help? It is marked to: "AUSTRALIA-SOUTH AMERICA LINE" which I cannot find either.
Richard Hall, 29 June 2008

The Australia-South America Line was a trade name registered 6.2.1969 by the Melbourne company of Heine Brothers (Australasia) Ltd. [no longer operating] though according to The Log of 2/1986 the line was trading in the early 1960s using chartered Norwegian tonnage. The principal of the firm at that time was Walter Heine hence the initials.
Neale Rosanoski, 26 July 2008


10. Green Swallowtail with Pistols Positive ID

Speculative Image by Pete Loeser, 1 January 2010

I have a small swallow tail flag color green appears to be cotton. Sewn on it at the top is a four digit number, below that are two crossed flintlock pistols and below that is "POW". I got this in a military items lot with no further information. Any information or insight from you would be appreciated.
Mike, 23 May 2008

This appears to be a U.S. Military Police Prisoner of War company or platoon guidon. The MP branch colors are green and yellow, and the MP branch insignia is a brace of crossed flintlock pistols. See http://tmg110.tripod.com/usarmyg1.htm for some samples. The MP guidon shown on the page only shows a company number, but a specialty unit (such as POW guards) would have the specialty designation.
Mark Reed, 24 October 2008


11. Dutch Flag with Blue Cross Positive ID

This flag has been identified and has been moved to its correct page as the Royal Dutch Motorboat Club Ensign.


12. Burgee with Cat Some Speculation

The burgee is triangular (point to right), yellow border on black material, with rear view of sitting cat with striped tail. It is obviously at least 50 years old. If it helps, both my father (born 1917) and my grandfather were great sailors. My father was in the Merchant Navy through the war, first as a Cadet with BISN Co, then on the Atlantic Run. He was then with East African Railways and Harbours from pilot through to port manager. He belonged to Dar-es-Salaam. Mombasa, Mtwara & Tanga Yacht Clubs. His Father was in the British army 7 served in India (where he also sailed.) He then settled in UK and sailed on the Solent. Any ideas for this flag?
Pippa Jarman, 10 July 2008

It could be a private signal
José C. Alegria, 10 July 2008


13. Sailfish on Blue-White-Blue Field

Image by Eugene Ipavec, 2 August 2008

I have several pieces of Homer Laughlin Best China U.S.A. with the marking on the back AAB-11. The Flag on the front of the china is a rectangular flag, with blue stripes across the top and bottom with a red dot and a sailfish in the middle of the dot. Could you please tell me what flag or who it was made for?
Ronnie Costanza, 1 August 2008


14. Blue with Three Yellow Stars

Speculative Image by Pete Loeser, 1 January 2010

My brother is on vacation in Halland in Sweden. There he saw a blue flag with three yellow, five-pointed stars, one above two. The flag was seen in the little village of Glommen in Falkenberg municipality.  He wants to know what flag it is, but I don't know. I have searched the FOTW-ws but haven't found any flag like it. Does anyone have any idea?
Elias Granqvist, 7 August 2008


15. Blue, White Diamond, B Positive ID

Image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 25 August 2008

I spotted this flag as jack of a ship of Dettmer company passing by at Billwerder Bucht on 13 April 2007. It is a celestial blue flag with a white rhomb in its centre, containing a black capital "B." Another skipper told me, that flag belonged to a former member of Dettmer Reederei Bremen, who had established his own subsidiary. (The flag hoisted on top of the mast was that one of Dettmer). But he didn’t know the name of that guy.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 25 August 2008

The company is located in Hamburg-Eidelstedt. On 1 April 2009, a captain of a DTG vessel gave me an important hint and showed me an address in some kind of almanac. The father of the owner is said to be a high rank employee of Dettmer(Bremen).
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 3 April 2009

Finally identified! This is the flag of a German one ship inland shipping company called Binnenschiffahrtskontor Beck, located in Hamburg-Eidelstedt, a subsidiary of Detmmer shipping company, my new image of it can be found on our FOTW page at Binnenschiffahrtskontor Beck
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 3 April 2009


16. Four Flags on Badges

Flag #A   Flag #B
Images by Jarig Bakker, 27 August 2008

Flag #C   Flag #D
Images by Jarig Bakker, 27 August 2008

To help the identification I send here a scanned copy of the badge, we were yesterday discussing about. They might be Finnish, but but... The one with the white star and green/red bottom and the other one with the J inside the yellow circle on white bottom.? The other two are identified to 90%.
Bengt Engblom, 26 August 2008


17. Three White Crescents on Green Field Tentative ID

My wife is watching an old movie "The Wind and the Lion". There's a scene (according to her, set in Morocco), which had a green flag with three white crescents on it. My immediate thought was that it was a historical flag of Egypt, and they got the flag wrong, but some research tells me I was thinking of the Kingdom of Egypt Flag (1922-1952) . I couldn't find anything resembling it on the Morocco pages (the closest I could find was from Sandžak, but that was in "Serbia-Montenegro", which indeed looks like it, at least the green part of the shield.
David Kendall, 11 September 2008

Sean Connery plays Raisuli (a Moroccan rebel chief) - is it his flag? This film is based on the famous (apocryphal?) remark by then-president Teddy Roosevelt about Raisuli's kidnapping of one Pedicaris: "I want Pericaris alive or Raisuli dead."
Albert S. Kirsch, 11 September 2008

Also this Libyan flag with three crescents pointing to the center standing for Tripolitania. My first reaction to three crescents on green would also have been Egypt, not Morocco.
António Martins-Tuválkin, 12 September 2008

It is true that US films have got historically more aware over the years, and indeed more careful in designing their props, however, perhaps we should remember that both the green field and the crescents could be considered "archetypal" of Islam, and that this may not, therefore, be a copy of any actual flag?
Christopher Southworth, 12 September 2008

Several years ago I sent gifs of sections of an old flag chart from the centre pages of Delisle's 1739 atlas. One of the flags on that was a green swallowtailed flag with three white crescents, arranged so the points were pointing in to a common centre. That flag was one of two or three designated "Grand Turks" presumably the one in Asia Minor, not the one in the Caribbean. On the same chart, the one for Tripolitania was similar, but rectangular and with yellow crescents.
James Dignan, 12 September 2008

This would be Ottoman Empire to me. It's on Tableau des Pavillions de le nations que aborent à la mer 1756 as Pavillon e l'Empereur des Turcs, with the crescents in three orientations, but I've seen depictions with three in a row as well, though I can't recall the direction for that case.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 14 September 2008

Image from Pete Loeser, 29 December 2009

In the Winter 2003 issue of the "Flagmaster" (number 111) they feature the Barnes Flag Sheet, published in Philadelphia in 1837. On pages 10-11 they reproduce the sheet and it shows a banner from Mecca that is green with three white crescents. Is this the one you are looking for?
Pete Loeser, 29 December 2009


18. German Yacht Club Burgee Positive ID

Image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 10 September 2008

It is a yellow triangular pennant divided by a red cross shifted to the hoist. The intersection point of crossbars is superimposed by a blue diamond containing a yellow compass rose. Source: I spotted this as a car sticker on 27 March 2007 in HH-Borgfelde. It probably belongs to a German yacht club, located near Hamburg but not in Hamburg itself.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 10 September 2008

UFE 2008 No.18 is the flag of Sportverein Rot-Gelb Harburg von 1950 e.V.. A small image can be found at this webpage: http://www.hamburger-yachthafen.de/vereinframe.html
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 31 January 2010

Ah, finally. Last summer I found myself looking at HH cars near the water, just to see if they had the same car sticker. Sportverein Rot-Gelb Harburg v. 1950 e.V. as a whole is at http://www.rot-gelb-harburg.de/, sailing is at http://www.rot-gelb-harburg.de/segeln/start.htm.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 1 February 2010


19. Blue Swiss Flag Some Speculation

Image by Nicolas Deprez, 22 September 2008

I saw this flag a few days ago during a walk in the village of Haut-Vully in the Canton of Fribourg in Switzerland. I was unable to identify it and no one in the village could help me.
Nicolas Deprez, 22 September 2008

The best match I can find is: Azure a Cross pattee couped Argent - Neuendorf in Solothurn.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 22 September 2008

The design of the Swiss National Flag in the colours of the flag of the Sarine district from that Canton?
Christopher Southworth, 22 September 2008


20. Indian Political Flag

Image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 31 October 2008

An unknown Indian flag. Description: It is a Indian tiranga (tricolour) using the colours saffron, white and green. Saffron is a little bit darker than the first colour of the current national flag. At the hoist is a blue rectangle taking total height of flag. It’s width is nearly 50% of total width. In its centre is a white Ashoka wheel. Context: A female supporter upholds a poster, demonstrating against Condoleeza Rice. The image of flag is upon the upper left corner of the poster. The blue headline beside the flag it would be in Sanskrit: "bhaaripa bahujana mahaasamgha;" in Hindi probably "bhaarip bahujan mahaasangh", which could be: "massive group of people (added: causes/means) big destruction." So this is not the name of a Party, at least I wouldn’t name a party like this, nevertheless I believe, it is an unknown party flag. As the rally took place in Mumbai, the inscription could of course also be in Marathi. Note that I have transcribed but not correctly transliterated in order to avoid diacritics. Long vowels I’ve simply doubled. Source: Sunday Times of Malta; 5 October 2008.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 31 October 2008


21. Two Badges

Image provided by hilltop9, 21 October 2008

Can you help us identify these two badges? (No other information provided.)
hilltop9, 21 October 2008


22. Knights of Malta Flag Some Speculation

Image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 23 October 2008

Order of St. John unknown flag: The flag has a ratio of estimated 3:5. It is a red flag with a coat of arms in its centre. Description of coat of arms: A red mantle, lined white, is topped by a golden crown. The mantle is covered with small golden Maltese crosses, the lining with small black rectangles (no ermines nor any other fur). The lining is superimposed by a grey double headed eagle. The eagle holds a scepter in its dexter claw and an imperial globe in its sinister claw. Between both heads is a blue ribbon topped by a crown. Another crown is superimposing the eagle’s throat. Upon the eagles breast is a white Maltese cross, superimposed by an asymmetric inescutcheon of the Order of St. John. As there is also a golden chain, shield and cross may be part of an order, unknown to me. The eagle I have expanded here. A photo of the doorplate is also added. The inscription is: "Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem; OSJ + Knights of Malta +," (The + is a Maltese cross.)

Contradictions: The material of the flag was vinyl or nylon. So it had been manufactured recently. The coat of arms seems to me a strange mixture of Hospitalier’s and Russian heraldry. The Maltese crosses and the inescutcheon are typical for the Order of St. John. Double headed eagle, crowned and the blue ribbon seem to be Russian. Russian Emperor Pawel I once occupied the title of the grandmaster but his son ceded this title after Pawel's death to an Italian. So the flag may be a reprint of Pawel's grandmaster flag. All that stuff may also simply be a mocking flag, unless there were two doorplates varying the pattern shown upon the flag and two other plates, showing arms of knights (I guess each knight had his personal arms), that seemed to me somehow Aragonese. The location was in Qawra at the waterfront in a small house between big hotels. Except for Qawra tower, today a pizzeria, there is not a single historical building in Qawra (part of St.Pauls). To complete the chaos there was of course nobody there, I could have asked.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 23 October 2008


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