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C.G.Gabel - Christian Gustav Gabel was partner of the shipping company
Knöhr
& Burchard which still exists. Sometimes he supplied ships on his
own risk in the 80ies and 90ies of the 19th century. He acquired his 1st
ship in 1882. The last ship was sold in 1909 and the company disappeared.
The company used nearly the same flag as Japan.
Its a white flag with a red roundel in its centre. The flag should probably
mark the connections with Knöhr und Burchard
who used a blue roundel.
Source: Jürgen Meyer: "Hamburger Segelschiffe von 1795-1945";
ISBN 3-89225-400-1; Hamburg 1999; p.89ff.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 31 Mar 2007
The flag is white with a red border all around and black initials along
the center, reading "GLG". And the caption seems to be "G. L. Gaiser".
Jorge Candeias, 1 Jan 2005
It must have been a firm engaged in trading with Nigeria, founded around
1850 and still active in the 1960's... according to a few faint traces
on the internet...
Jan Mertens, 2 Jan 2005
O.Garms & Sohn
The company was located in Königreich (Jork, SW Hamburg). It was a
yellow flag divided horizontally yellow over white over red over
blue over red over white over yellow with estimated ratio of 2:1:1:12:1:1:2.
In the middle of the blue stripe is a red capital ?G?.
Source: ?Flaggen, Schornsteine, Reedereien- Flaggen und Schornsteine
der deutschen Reedereien und ihre Schiffe über 300 BRT?; Hamburg 1957;
p.F9.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 11 Apr 2009
Lloyd's Book of House Flags and Funnels (1912) shows the house flag of "Geestemunder Herings & Hochseefischerei A.G." (#281, p. 50), a company based in Geestemünde, as blue with a white "H" in the middle.
The port and town of Geestemünde was founded by the Kingdom of
Hannover in 1845, next to Bremerhaven. In 1927, Geestemünde was merged
with Lehe and Wulsdorf to form the new municipality of Wesermünde. In 1939,
Bremerhaven was separated from Bremen and incorporated to Wesermünde. Incorporated
to the Federal State of Bremen in 1947, Wesermünde was eventually renamed
Bremerhaven.
Ivan Sache, 12 Apr 2008
GEFO Gesellschaft für Oeltransporte m.b.H. & Co., Hamburg
- blue - yellow - blue horizontal triband; in center black "GEFO".
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels Shipping Companies of the World,
compiled by J.L. Loughran, Glasgow, 1995 [lgr95]
Jarig Bakker, 9 Nov 2005
GEFO is ?Company for Oil Transportation Ltd?. Firm?s website: The various departments are neatly summed up: deep-sea transportation of chemicals, gas tankers (based at Sas van Gent, NL), chemicals (based at Merksem/Antwerp, BE), oil (?80 Rhinetankers for mineral oil?) and bunkering. Of the branches or firms mentioned under ?The Company? I still have to get to know Unitas at Antwerp or Oceanflag Cyprus; Hansa Hamburg is a shipping investor.
It is clear that GEFO is active on the high seas as well as on inland
waterways. This is a picture
of the barge ?Rubens?, flying the house flag: horizontally divided blue-yellow-blue
with GEFO in black letters on the yellow stripe.
Jan Mertens, 13 Mar 2006
Well, H. M. G. are, for certain, the initials of this company - not
only do they appear in the flag (a blue cloth with these initials in it),
but they are also the only recognizable portion of the caption. There's
something written beyond the "G", but what it is I have no idea whatsoever.
Jorge Candeias, 4 May 2004
That is H.M.Gehrckens, Hamburg. Source: Wolter, "See und Seefahrt",
1968.
Jarig Bakker, 4 May 2004
Heinrich Martin Gehrckens - H.M. Gehrckens became ship broker
in 1830 and ship owner in 1860. In 1901 HMG opens a direct line to Southern
Finland. In winter the ships are trading with Western Africa. In WWI the
company managed to keep all its ships. On the company's website is no information
after 1932 available. But the company does still exist in Hamburg. For
further information click here.
Source: ?Unter blauer Flagge, 150 Jahre H.M.Gehrckens?, Hamburg
1980
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 25 Aug 2008
GEMCO Schiffahrts- und Handelsges. mbH (Gemco Shipping and Trading
Co. Ltd) is a German inland navigation company established in Duisburg,
where the Ruhr River meets the Rhine.
Last year, a Gemco flag was offered on eBay under no. 6535951662 between
29 May and 8 June: a green flag with a white ascending diagonal stripe
on which is placed the (short) company name in green letters without serifs.
Oddly, the firm?s website shows
the letters in black:
Some facts gleaned from above site: during the ?fifties of the previous
century, Mr G. Möller established a towage firm bearing his name. As
?Gerd
Möller & Co.? the company expanded its inland shipping activities
to the Benelux countries. Mr Günter Ohm joined the firm in 1987 which he
would acquire eight years later. France was added to the area of
operations.
It seems that now more than three hundred private shippers from four
countries are working for Gemco who arrange single transport runs as well
as long-term deals. The company lists a number of various kinds of
freight but summarizes them, simply, as all goods which may be carried
by a vessel.
Jan Mertens, 5 Apr 2006
Gemeinwirtschaftliche Kohlen HandelsGesellschaft mbH (belongs to K.R.
Fisser & v. Doornum)
The company was located in Emden. It is a red over white over red horizontal
triband with red capitals ?GKGL? in the white stripe.
Source: ?Deutsche Reedereien und ihre Erkennungszeichen?; 2nd ed.;
Hamburg; 1956; p.19
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 29 Mar 2009
Gerhard U. Brzoska, Stade - horizontal RWR; on white blue diamond,
white "GUB".
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels Shipping Companies of the World,
compiled by J.L. Loughran, Glasgow, 1995 [lgr95]
Jarig Bakker, 23 Nov 2005
This one is a red flag with the initials "G&M", in white, along
the centre. The caption is more or less readable: "Gerhart" is pretty clear
and the rest seems to be "& Mry.", probably an abbreviation of some
sort..
Jorge Candeias, 28 Nov 2004
Also in the 1912
Lloyds as No. 729: i.e. Gerhard & Hey, Hamburg.
Jan Mertens, 29 Nov 2004
Gerhard & Hey, Hamburg - red flag, white "G&H".
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels of British and Foreign Steamship
Companies, compiled by F.J.N. Wedge, Glasgow, 1926 [wed26]
Jarig Bakker, 28 Jan 2005
E.J.Gerhardt, Schifffahrt & Verwaltung GmbH
The company is located at Rügenweg 13 in Minden/Westfalen.
Ernst J. Gerhardt was born in 1942 in Zehdenick/Havel. He worked as
a crewman and later as a captain on the ships of his parent?s company.
In 1973 he bought his first own ship. In 1977 he bought a bigger one,
which was chartered by TG ELBIA.
Gerhardt was member of the board of ELBIA
Eilfracht TG e.G. and in the association of independent entrepreneurs/employers
and had a few honorary posts in inland shipping associations.
In 1984 he established his own company in Minden, mainly dealing with
tanker shipping.
He is member of the tanker ship commission under the roof of BDB.
In 2003 he and Martin Deymann (Haren) founded the Tankschiffsreederei
Gerhardt & Deymann. But the cooperation wasn?t successful. Rhough Belgian
company INTERMARES joined G&D the cooperation between Gerhardt &
Deymann ended in 2006.
Source: Klaus-Peter Bühne, translated by Klaus-Michael Schneider.
Description of flag: It is a 5-stripes flag with alternating, horizontal
stripes of red and white. A white lying oval, taking nearly total height
of flag, is superimposing the stripes. The oval has a broad yellow fimbriation
and the company?s logo, consisting of the letters ?E?,?J? and ?G?(bigger).
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 27 Mar 2009
E.J.Gerhardt Schifffahrt & Verwaltung GmbH. On their website
there are a couple of flag images, which show the oval having straight
top and bottom sides and also that the letters are slanted.
The funnel is coloured as per the flag but with the letters erect but
shows their makeup in clearer detail. I have two photos of vessels
flying the flag, in one the letters look slanted whilst in the other they
look erect, but with both flapping it is inconclusive.
Neale Rosanoski, 10 Apr 2009
German Tanker Shipping was established in Bremen in 1998. The company operates 12 tankers, all of them sailing under the German flag, named after sea fishes (MT "Seaturbot" to MT "Seamarlin").
The house flag of German Tanker Shipping, shown as a graphic on the
company
website, is quartered per saltire blue-white with the letters "G" and
"T" in the left and right white quarters, respectively.
Ivan Sache, 7 Mar 2008
See the full size item on this clickable photo:
(not a very common font for a house flag). The flag on the right
represents the Lindenau wharf at Kiel.
Jan Mertens, 7 Mar 2008
Getreideheber Gesellschaft: The company was located in Hamburg and is
probably dissolved. Jan Mertens found here
a page about Johann Oelker dockyard, delivering a new vessel to Getreideheber
Gesellschaft, including a photo of the flag. I only spotted an image made
of tiles on a wall of the former company building. Probably the company
was trading and shipping grain.
Description of flag: It is a white flag divided by a recd chevron,
pointing to the top. Red capitals ?G? (upper hoist and lower centre) and
?H? (upper fly) are spread out over the flag.
Source: I spotted an image of that flag on 10 April 2009 in the Hamburg
harbour area.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 16 Jun 2009
Here is the website of Karl
Geuther & Co., - houseflag: white with red flydiagonal strip of c.
1/3 flagheight; in center blue capitals KG outlined white.
Dov Gutterman, 2 Nov 2003
Homepage
(English version available): This versatile firm (?shipping ? stevedoring
? freight forwarding ? mail-order business ? travel and tourism ? ferry
bookings?), founded in 1958, shows a tiny house flag on the company website.
The red stripe behind the blue initials is not a straight stripe (diagonal)
I?m afraid, but rather a bowed stripe getting slightly thinner towards
the top. Also the fimbriated blue initials are linked together in
such a way that an arrow is seen to point backwards from ?G? to ?K?.
See image from German eBay offer no. 290064096504 (end 25 Dec 2006),
table flag put up by ?shipflag?, dimensions given: approx. 15 [cm]
x 24 [cm].
Jan Mertens, 16 Feb 2010
Otto Giese
The company was located in Bremen. It is a white flag divided by a
black centred cross. In its centre is a white disc fimbriated black and
containing a red capital ?G?.
Source: ?Flaggen, Schornsteine, Reedereien- Flaggen und Schornsteine
der deutschen Reedereien und ihre Schiffe über 300 BRT?; Hamburg 1957;
p.F10.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 11 Apr 2009
Jorge Candeias wrote: This one is red with a big white star in the center,
charged with a white castle outlined in black.
This is a long shot but... could it be Gläfke & Hennings, Hamburg?
This firm is mentioned a few times on this
page, selling the occasional ship to the Deutsche
Levante Line.
A picture has been found, but the name is really Gläfcke & Hennings
? see item
from Massary cigarette album, 1930. Name of source: ?Flaggen ,die über
Meere
Völker verbinden? (i.e. flags connecting peoples across the seas).
The Hamburg connection was right on the dot, in fact the company seems
to have had no second thoughts about appropriating the castle.
Here
we see the ?Polynesia? who once was owned by Gläfcke & Hennings from
1904 till 1921:
Jan Mertens, 26 Dec 2006
Dov Gutterman spotted the link of
H.
Glahr & Co. GmbH (Bremen) - white swallotail with two 5 points
blue stars situated diagonaly.
Santiago Dotor, 11 Nov 2003
Globus Reederei GmbH., Hamburg: The flag was divided by saltire into
white and green with a white oval fimbriated red and containing a red capital
?G? in its centre.
Source: based on a photo of a table flag of Klaus-Peter Bühne.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 16 May 2009
Globus Reederei A.G., Bremen: apparently red with blue globe,
white lines of latitude and longitude added; the globe in the center of
a blue double-barred cross encircling it (space between double bars is
white)
Jan Mertens, 16 Nov 2003
You do not have an illustration of Globus Reederei Houseflag.
See illustration of flag on this
page.
Alan Dingo, 10 Aug 2009
Reederei Gloria GmbH
The company was located in Hamburg. The flag is divided by saltire
into white, black (top) and red (bottom) with a white disc in the centre,
showing a yellow capital ?G?.
Source: ?Deutsche Reedereien und ihre Erkennungszeichen?; 2nd
ed.; Hamburg; 1956; p.33
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 29 Mar 2009
Glücksburger Reederei GmbH
The company was located in Glücksburg (Schleswig-Flensburg
county) near the Danish border. The flag is derived from the Gottorp civil
ensign of 1696. But it is not a split flag. The golden crown has been replaced
by a ?crownish? white zigzag above the shield and in the canton is a golden
capital ?G?.
Source: Deutsche Reedereien und ihre Erkennungszeichen?; 2nd ed.; Hamburg;
1956; p.20
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 4 Apr 2009
Glücksburger Reederei. The image is not quite right mainly because the
source shows the lions facing the fly, with there also being minor differences
in the white "zigzag" above the shield which seems to actually be a single
object, and possibly the shape of the "G" although like their presentation
of the lions that might not mean
anything. Certainly the lion shapes shown by the FOTW image look to
be more in line with the original Arms. Anyway
I enclose a scan of the Esso source in support.
More importantly, I feel, check out this webpage, which gives a report in Der Spiegel 30.9.1953 of a court case. My interpretation of the translation, which is subject to correction as needed, is that Gotthard Schwarzlose departed from what was then Stettin under German control just before the end of WW2 and settled in Glücksburg where he occupied a house owned by Hans Hansen-Schmidt. Schwarlose had previously formed two shipping companies and now formed a third, Glücksburger Reederei GmbH in partnership with Prince [Friedrich Ferdinand] of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, being a resident also of Glücksburg and who put in 70,000 D-Marks. He already had a house flag for his first two companies of horizontal bands of black, white and red with the letters "Sch & S" on the white. For the new company he used as a basis the flag of the Prince of Schleswig-Holstein who had led the revolt of 1848 against the Danish Government and which later became the battle flag of the battleship "Schleswig-Holstein" [built in 1906 and which served in both world wars], making a change by replacing the ducal crown with the letter "G" for Glücksburg. I understand that post WW2 there were a large number of shipping companies formed to replace the lost tonnage but company formation did not always equate to having sufficient funds to build or buy vessels. That the Glücksburger Rederei GmbH was established by 1949 is proved [? ] by the court case which resulted from the election of Konrad Adenauer as Chancellor. Schwarzlose had 3 flag poles outside his residence so he proposed to celebrate the election result by flying flags for 3 days comprising the federal black-red-gold on the centre pole, his black-white-red house flag with the "Sch & S" on the left pole and his new Glücksburger flag on the right hand. However landlord Hansen-Schmidt made an unexpected return and objected to the display but the court found against him.
This account gives a different subsequent derivation from that supplied by Klaus-Michael for the origin. I also enclose an image of the Arms of Schleswig-Holstein as the two halves of the two duchies seem to have been combined on the flag with the white leaf of a nettle (Holstein) presumably being the white surrounds on this flag with the yellow oval being the shield bearing the lions of Schlesweg (facing sinister).
As mentioned, funds did not always follow company formation straight away and in the case of Glücksburger Reederei GmbH their first ship, "Holstein" was not launched until 1953 after Emder Verkehrsgesellschaft A.G. became involved with the company. They seem to have ceased operations with the sale of the "Don Roberto" in 1965.
As far as the original Schwarlose companies are concerned I can find
nothing about there their ships but my 3rd image is for the selfsame flag
shown in "Flaggen auf dem Rhein" for Reederei Gotthartd [sic] Schwarzlose
& Söhne so they were apparently involved in inland shipping but by
then based in Duisburg.
Neale Rosanoski, 4 Feb 2010
Dov Gutterman spotted the link
of Gluesing Transport Gmbh (Cuxhaven) - Orange over Blue charged
with white "GT", fimbriated blue.
Santiago Dotor, 11 Nov 2003
Gluesing Transport, or to be more exact, Glüsing Transport GmbH. Santiago
has produced an image in line with the flag logo shown on the company website
but it is not a correct rendition of the actual, the best source being
the Josef Nüsse table flag which shows that "G" is more blockish
with straight lines slightly rounded at the corners and the "arm" does
not rest on the blue but is on the orange in line with the top of the "T",
and there is not any blue outlining of the letters on the orange [see above].
I have a photo of the flag being flown by their "Ebba" in 2006 which has
a poor flap but there is enough to confirm these points. Just to help confuse
matters the "G" on the funnel bands is rounded.
Neale Rosanoski, 25 Feb 2010
Johann Cesar Godefroy und Sohn - J.C. Godeffroy VI. was born on 1 July
1813 in Kiel and died on 9 February 1885 in Dockenhusen. He was merchant
and owner of a dockyard and ships. His family immigrated in the 18th century
from La Rochelle. He overtook his fathers company, which dealed with South
America trade, in 1842. He managed to establish a branch on the Samoa island
of Upolu in 1857 using ships, which were built on his own dockyard "Reiherstieg".
The company traded with copra and nacre shells. Though he had to give up
some parts of business after a crisis in 1857, he rised up to be the "Südsee-König"
(=King of the South Seas). He founded plantations at 50 different stations
all over the South Pacific. He supported scientists and established a museum.
The company fell into bankruptcy in 1879 but was caught up by a new
company supported by banks and trading companies. J.C. Godeffroy VII. became
director of this "Deutsche Handels- und Plantagengesellschaft".
The "Godeffroy-Empire" finally marked the begin of the German colony
of (West-) Samoa.
Source: Franklin Kopitsch; David Tilgner (ed.): Hamburg Lexikon,
Hamburg 1999, ISBN 3-9805687-9-2; p.179.
The company used a white flag with a golden dove on blue horizontal
bar with golden stripes. The dove shows ist back, spreads its wings and
wears a ribbon around its neck. Below the bar is a blue inscription: "J.C.G.
& S.".
Source: Jürgen Meyer: "Hamburger Segelschiffe von 1795-1945";
ISBN 3-89225-400-1; Hamburg 1999; inside cover.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 12 Apr 2007
The Godeffroys were French Huguenots of La Rochelle where the leader
of their successful family was mayor of the city. However, in 1737 they
were forced to flee France to avoid religious persecution brought about
by King Louis XIV?s anti-Protestantism. The family sought asylum in Germany
and, after a few moves, finally settled in the trading port of Hamburg,
which, although predominantly Lutheran, was tolerant of persons of all
religions.
Source: this
webpage.
More historical details on the company in the South Pacific here (not
the correct spelling, Godeffroy) here.
Ivan Sache, 12 Apr 2007
C.Goedelt - The company had a white flag with red stripes on either
edge. In the centre are black serifed capital letters "CG".
Source: Jürgen Meyer: "Hamburger Segelschiffe von 1795-1945";
ISBN 3-89225-400-1; Hamburg 1999; cover inside.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 23 Mar 2007
Situated at Neckarsteinach on the Neckar, East of Heidelberg, Ludwig & Jackob Götz GmbH & Co. KG is a firm active in inland shipping and freighting. Its sand and gravel exploitation activities, at least, have been taken over by Heidelberger Sand & Kies (part of the famous Heidelberg Cement group).
Here is an article (in German) describing the tough life on board the river dredger (sand and gravel scooping) ?Götz X? now property of Heidelberg Cement; and here a page of the Binnenvaart site (in Dutch) presenting the ?Jakob Götz? along with a drawing of the house flag:
The image, however, is after the brochure ?Ausbau des Rheins? (October 1977) describing extensive engineering works on the German part of the Rhine, specifically naming L&J Götz as responsible for strengthening the river banks.
The house flag is red, horizontally edged by two white stripes and having
a white diamond, bearing a black initial ?G?, in the middle.
Jan Mertens, 13 Jul 2006
Karl Grammerstorf - Grammerstorf came to Kiel in 1908. First working
as a clerk he advanced and became manager of ?Kieler Kohlen Großhandels
GmbH? (KKG). In this position he managed the supply of ships with coal.
This became main part of business during the following years and finally
Grammerstorf left KKG. He worked as a shipbroker and organized transportation
of Scandinavian iron-ore to the mouths of rivers Weser and Ems. He also
opened a transportation- and warehousing branch and ran several tugboats
and lighters. Since 1919 he used his ships as mobile warehouses due to
lack of warehouses in Copenhagen, which was the most important town of
warehousing after WWI.
In 1920 a Hamburg branch was opened. Together with ?Neue Dampfer Compagnie
Kiel? he changed three steamers into tugboats. The business then
was transportation of grain and feed stuff. The company grew and acquired
a number of steamers until the outbreak of WWII. At its end all the ships
had gone lost.
In 1949 Grammerstorf gained full permission to act as shipbroker, ship
owner, agent and transporter.
On 1 April 1964 the company was split into ?Karl Grammerstorf-Schiffahrts
GmbH? and ?Karl Grammerstorf Kiel-Kanal GmbH?. After Grammerstorf
had resigned ?L. Possehl & Co.? (Lübeck
became shareholder of both companies which worked together with Possehl
group and ?Lübeck Linie?.
Afterwards all ships had been sold. The ship agency branch however
remained.
Source: Klaus-Peter Bühne; translated by Klaus-Michael Schneider.
Description of flag: It is a red flag with a white lozenge fimbriated
black and containing black capitals ?KG? in its centre.
Source: ?Deutsche Reedereien und ihre Erkennungszeichen?; 2nd ed.;
Hamburg; 1956; p.20.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 15 May 2009
International freight forwarder ?Karl Gross Internationale Spedition GmbH?, a German firm, is established at Bremen (main office). Thecompany website (in German) is being renewed. The Dutch branch?s site resembles the old version: In both cases we see a drawing of the house flag in a traditional form (Dutch site; also on building) and a modern, more dynamic one (German site ? a few stripes were dropped in the process).
This image shows the real thing which very much resembles one of the
many rowing club flags Klaus-Michael has sent us.
Basically a ten-stripe horizontal flag (BWB, etc.) with a large canton,
the two upper stripes are replaced by the name ?KARL GROSS? in large blue
letters without serifs ? thus leaving four blue and four white stripes
visible. The white canton seems to take up 2/5 of flag width, its
height being equal to six stripes. Said canton contains a thin St
Andrew?s cross in blue and consequently defines four triangles: the upper
one contains the letter ?B? (for ?Befrachtung? i.e. freighting?), the left
one ?K?, the right one ?G? and the lower one the year ?1876? (all in blue
and no serifs).
1876 is indeed the year of foundation of this freight forwarder and logistics enterprise which now has offices in Germany, the Netherlands, and China. According to the company site, Karl Gross ? still in private hands, by the way ? offers a complete palette of services in its chosen field.
Back to the flag ? source of reduced attachment is yet another German
eBay offer, no. 330038261367 put up by ?lz530? who likes to hang out his
(her?) goods on the garden clothesline. End of offer 21 Oct 2006,
dimensions given as 0.90 m x 1.40 m. (A similar offer ending 29 Apr
2007 shows a flag ? in a lying position - with dimensions given as 1.12
m x 1.97 m.).
Jan Mertens, 27 Mar 2008
Lloyd's Book of House Flags and Funnels (1912) shows the house flag
of "Richard Grothmann" (#276, p. 50), a company based in Hamburg, as horizontally
divided blue-white-blue with the red letters "RG" in the middle of
the white stripe.
Ivan Sache, 12 Apr 2008
Julius Grube dockyard; Hamburg
It is a red flag with a white lozenge containing black, serifed capitals
?JG?.
I spotted an image of this flag on the dockyards wall in Hamburg-Billwerder
in September 2008.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 28 Feb 2009
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels of British and Foreign Steamship
Companies, compiled by F.J.N. Wedge, Glasgow, 1926 [wed26]
Grundmann & Groschel, Geestemünde - white flag with Spanish
fess; "G" in black in center. Geestemünde is part of Bremerhaven.
Jarig Bakker, 13 Dec 2004
The flag is white with a wide blue border all around. In the center
of the white part, a blue 5-pointed star is sided by two initials, also
blue: P to the left and G to the right. The caption seems to be composed
of two words and the first is almost certainly "Paul". The second, though,
is not legible. I guess"Gantter".
Jorge Candeias, 30 Dec 2004
It's Paul Günther Schiffsmakler GmbH & Co. KG, see company
homepage: a shipping agent/broker, over a century old!
Jan Mertens, 31 Dec 2004