Unidentified flags (The Netherlands)

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• An unidentified flag or ensign (ufe) in Lundy (GB)
• A UFE on a motorboat
• A Terschellinger UFE
• Unknown NIVM (?) house flag
• Unknown KFZ flag/burgee
• Blue with chain & twig

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An unidentified flag or ensign (ufe) in Lundy (GB)

While I was on Lundy, I took a photograph of a painting which hangs in the vestibule of the Church. The photo didn't come out, unfortunately, but it commemorates a Dutch coaster, the M.V. Atlas, of Groningen, and her 2nd engineer, Fokko Smit, who lost his life when the ship was wrecked on one of Lundy's notorious rocks during the second world war, in 1942.
The painting showed the vessel flying the Dutch national flag (not an ensign) at the stern, and further forward (not at the bow) she is flying a flag which I didn't recognise and cannot find on FOTW-ws. It is an orange field with the Dutch national flag in the canton and a 3-digit number (the ship's registration?) in white on the field.
The same flag, with no number, also appears above the inscription which forms part of the painting, where it is shown crossed with the Dutch national flag against an anchor.
André Coutanche, 17 Apr 2002

Just a guess: possibly a houseflag. Several Dutch shipping companies had tricolors in the canton, some RWB, like the HSM, Hollandsche Stoomboot Maatschappij, which had a white field with red capitals HSM. In Groningen were very small companies, sometimes owning only one coaster, and I suppose it will be hard to find the company. Which digits are written on the field?
Jarig Bakker, 17 Apr 2002

This sounds like the flag of a Seaman's College (Zeemanscollege). Several of them have a Dutch canton. The number would be the captain's memberschip number.
But I don't know which one this would be. If the ship is from Groningen one would expect a member of De Groninger Eendracht, but then the flag would have been white, and the number would have been preceded with "Gr". Of course, by 1949 the captain could well have been from a town different from the ships home port.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 17 Apr 2002

I can say that the inscription says:
'In memory of Fokko Smit 2nd Engineer
and the crew of MV Atlas of Groningen
wrecked near the Shutter during the night of Octr 9/10 1942.
"The Sea is His and He made it".'
[The Shutter is a rock].
I didn't write down the number on the flag (assuming that I would have it on the photo), but I am 99% certain that it consisted just of three digits and no letters.
André Coutanche, 17 Apr 2002

The painting showed the vessel flying a flag - an orange field with the Dutch national flag in the canton and a 3-digit number (the ship's registration?) in white on the field.
The same flag, with no number, also appears above the inscription which forms part of the painting, where it is shown crossed with the Dutch national flag against an anchor.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 28 Jun 2008

Since I made the original report - six years ago - I have been back to Lundy many times, and I have tried to take a better photograph of the painting. At last, two years ago, I was there in the company of a competent photographer as part of a week to celebrate the sixtieth anniversary of the Lundy Field Society (LFS). At my request he took some decent photos of the painting, though I didn't get around to sending them to the List.
I have now uploaded to the NL files section three photos showing the picture and the relevant details (the pictures are taken at an angle to prevent the surface reflecting back the flash which is necessary in the dark entrance lobby to the church on Lundy).
I will report your research to colleagues in the LFS and it may then be published as a note in our Newsletter.
André Coutanche, 28 Jun 2008

It is the old flag of the NPRC (Nederlandse Particuliere Rijnvaart Centrale ("Dutch Central for Private Shipping on the Rhine") - it's unfortunate that the image there looks overwhelmingly red, where it should be mainly orange.
Based on the little I could discern on photos in "Nederlandse Rijn- en Binnensleepvaart", 1984, I would guess that tugs used the NPRC-flag with white letters, and coasters used it with white digits.
Jarig Bakker, 21 Feb 2010

A UFE on a motorboat

I've seen a flag, hoisted on a big motorboat, in the Netherlands. It's a black flag, with a yellow rectangle in the middle. I hope you know where this flag stands for.
Dion van der Born, 26 May 2004

A Terschellinger UFE

Mr. R.R. de Vries sent this image. The photo shows the Dutch flag, the flag of Terschelling in Fryslân province (a five-band) and a red trapezoid burgee, with possibly something in the canton, at the hoist a castle-like item, and at the fly the Terschelling flag. What is it? I have asked the Terschelling municipal administration, which knew nothing.
Stefan Lambrechts only found the burgee of "Het Wakend Oog" YC, with its intimidating burgee; it may be a burgee, a jumelage flag - or whatever.
Jarig Bakker, 28 Jul 2005

Unknown NIVM (?) house flag

Last August Jarig sent me a giffed UFE, seen by him on a Rotterdam barge.  There are similarities – the blue ‘N’ stands out well and the green-white-green stripes ostensibly represent Rotterdam. On the other hand… could this be a spruced-up version of the NIMV house flag?
Jan Mertens, 7 Dec 2006

Unknown KFZ flag/burgee

this one was sent by Andries van der Graaf from Nieuwpoort Z.H.
Description: Like the Java-China-Paketvaart, with the crown surrounded by black letters K (left), F (right) and Z (bottom).
There is a little label added charged with "A.J.A.Bartels, Telefoon 34303  Amsterdam." (Amsterdam got 6 digits only after WWII).
It measures 75 x 100 cm.
I'm quite sure that this one is Dutch, pobably connected to water (houseflag, burgee, whatever...)
Jarig Bakker, 27 Jan 2010

Blue with chain & twig

This one was sent by Andries van der Graaf from Nieuwpoort Z.H.
Description: Like the Java-China-Paketvaart, with the crown surrounded by black letters K (left), F (right) and Z (bottom).
There is a little label added charged with "A.J.A.Bartels, Telefoon 34303  Amsterdam." (Amsterdam got 6 digits only after WWII).
It measures 75 x 100 cm.
I'm quite sure that this one is Dutch, probably connected to water (houseflag, burgee, whatever...)
Jarig Bakker, 27 Jan 2010