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Dobrinj is a community with about 2000 inhabitants on eastern
part Krk island opposing the city of Crikvenica on the coast. The
Coat of Arms of Dobrinj: azure Justitia clead
and blindfoled argent holding in the dexter arm an upright sword
proper and in the sinister golden scales standing on a green
mound.
I am not aware of the historical background for this coat of arms
though I guess that there may be some.
There is little doubt that there is a flag to go with it, but
unfortunately - no info.
Source: [osg02] Oštric
Goroslav: Monumenta heraldica, izbor iz heraldicke baštine
primorsko-goranske županije, Pomorski i povijesni muzej
Hrvatskog primorja Rijeke, 2002.
Željko Heimer, 5 July 2003
I received mail from Robert Grubisa from Rijeka informing me
on the flag. Here is translation sumarized:
Dobrinj - The flag is white with the coat of arms in the middle.
The Coat of Arms is used on various information boards and
similar in the community, but it seems that it is not yet
approved by the Ministry. The flag is apparently not used (yet?).
Željko Heimer, 9 July 2003
The decision on adoption of the symbols for Dobrinj was
published in the official gazette more then 5 years after
adoption of the descision, that I suppose may be explained
that the community waited to get the approval from the Ministry
before publishing the decision: Odluka o grbu i zastavi Opcine
Dobrinj, 02.08.1996, Službene novine Primorsko-goranske
županije, br. 20/01, 10. rujna 2001.
The flag is white with the coat of arms bordered golden in the
middle. The vertical flag is in use also (though not mentioned
explicitly in the decision), as proved by photos I received from
Robert Grubisa.
The ceremonial flag is only menitoned in the text of the
decision, but not described, and Robert also sent me photos of
the table flag in use that looks by pattern like a ceremonial
flag: bordered golden, with the coat of arms ornamented with vine
and olive branches and ribbon containing the name of the
community.
Željko Heimer, 27 August 2003
image by Željko Heimer, 27 August 2003
image by Željko Heimer, 27 August 2003
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image by Željko Heimer, 5 July 2003
flag
image from <klimno.net>
ri-do-kl.jpg)
coat of arms
image from <klimno.net>
Former local communities (mjesne zajednice) in Croatia now are
called "local boards" (mjesni odbori). The Local Board
of Klimno is part of the Municipality of Dobrinj. Its flag (it is
written it was project, I have no information if it was adopted)
is presented at <klimno.net>.
Although I don't know if the symbols are official, the coat of
arms is on every page.
Valentin Poposki, 24 August 2007
The description claims that the saint shown on the coat of
arms is St. Klement, the patron (and namesake) of Klimno. I guess
that such coat of arms would hardly be acceptable to the State
comission for approval, however, the local communities (boards)
have no obligation to get their coat of arms approved...
On the other hand, the coat of arms and the flag looks
suspiciously like the artwork by Heraldic-art of Rijeka -
possibly the local artist used that as a template, or Rijeka
company helped with final rendering of the coat of arms.
What bugs me is the depiction of the Saint. There are several
"Klements" (Clement, Clementinus) in the list of saints
of Catholic Church. The one shown on Klimno coat of arms holds
three "apples" on a plate, and by looking at that I
would suspect the picture represents St. Nicolas!? But, I may be
wrong. The most well known St. Clement is Pope St. Clement I, the
first pope to sucseed St. Peter, who is as a rule shown in art
with an anchor.
So, who is St. Clement with "apples" or is the
depiction indeed errorneous for St. Nicolas?
Željko Heimer, 26 August 2007
Good question. One of the traditional symbols for St. Nick is
not three apples, but three bags of gold, often simplified to
three gold balls. And the coat of arms in question sure looks
like it has three gold balls. Also, while a bishop's mitre would
be acceptable headgear for the image of a pope, the papal tiara
would have seemed more likely imho.
On the other hand, it was traditional to give children presents
of apples on St. Clements Day, at least in England - I don't know
if the practice also occurred on the Continent (and, as said, the
image on the coat of arms looks more like gold balls than apples)
- and having the saint standing in the sea, as in the coat of
arms, would seem more apporopriate for St. Clement than St.
Nicholas. Clement was martyred by drowning and is patron saint of
mariners (the anchor associated with him represents the one
supposedly tied around his neck when he was drowned).
My guess is this was an attempt to depict Clement using an image
of Nicholas as a template, but which was not sufficiently
modified.
Ned Smith, 26 August 2007