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![[Sartori & Berger]](../images/d/de~sb.gif)
image by Jorge Candeias, 22 Dec 2004
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It is "Sartori & Berger" - this is interesting, as Brown's 1926
edition has just 1-77 at the bottom - home: Hamburg; Brown (1951) and Wolter
(1968) have a bare bottom - home: Kiel. Loughran (1979) explains: "What
made the houseflag unusual was that below the saltire, a number was included.
This was different for each vessel, and denoted the ship's sequence of
inclusion in the fleet. (he shows an example with just "51" in the bottom).
The custom was discontinued in 1929, when some 77 ships had thus been enumerated."
In view of Jorge's image and the image in [wed26]
I have grave doubts about Loughran's use of the number of 51, as he has
also Kiel as its homeport, which should have been Hamburg; only later it
moved to Kiel (or as Loughran likes to misspell it: "Keil").
Jarig Bakker, 22 Dec 2004
Hum... then I suppose that the smaller 7 I mentioned is in fact simply
a "-"? That is: the number sould be "1-73"?
Jorge Candeias, 23 Dec 2004
I think you giffed it correctly - the little "7" is clearly visible
on the .jpg file. I checked the online Lloyd's
1912 register, which has also 1-77 in the bottom (see p. 66) - it's
the little difference which makes it interesting!
Jarig Bakker, 23 Dec 2004
The debate on the original image provided by Jorge showing 1773 in base
is, by several sources, shown to be in favour of the second character being
a dash and not a little 7. Thus Lloyds 1904 shows "1.-73.", Lloyds 1912
and Brown 1926 and 1929 "1-77", and Reed 1912 "1-78".
The company originated in Kiel [Loughran by the way shows the correct
spelling under the image if not in his general text] in 1858 and its head
quarters are still there. In the late 1960s it was taken over by Knud Knudsen
and is still a family concern under his son Volkert though they have since
ceased shipowning and operating and are now ship brokers, agents and the
like.
The flags with numbers were peculiar and unique to individual ships.
1773 as a ship number based on sequence in the fleet, or as a date, would
seem to be out of things but as I have not seen the original source there
may be another twist to things. Why they would use a system of "1-" followed
by a sequence number I cannot figure. Version 3 as shown by Klaus-Michael
with a straight number in the base is in line with that shown by Loughran
and further support for this format can be seen here,
where a painting of the steamer shows a flag with the number "40" though
the detail does not include an "&" on the saltire.
Version 2 by Klaus-Michael without numbers is of course the company
flag and has no doubt flown all the time being shown by Griffin 1895, The
Massary cigarette cards of 1930, Talbot-Booth from 1937, Brown in 1951
and Stewart in 1963 and is of course still flying above the company building.
Neale Rosanoski, 11 Jun 2009
![[Sartori & Berger #2]](../images/d/de~saber.gif)
image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 15 Feb 2007
Sartori und Berger - It is a white flag divided by a red saltire. There
are black capital letters "S" (hoist) and "B" (fly) and a black "&"
in the centre of the flag.
All images are based on own photos, spotted on 15 January 2007.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 15 Feb 2007
![[Sartori & Berger #3]](../images/d/de~sabe3.gif)
image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 30 Mar 2009
Sartori&Berger #3
In the lower quarter is a black number “3”.
Source: Cigarette Album “Reedereien der Welthandelsflotte”; edited
by Brinkmann, cigarette manufacturer in Bremen
I got the images from Jan Metens from an EBAY offer.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 30 Mar 2009