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The admiral's flag with 2 crossed gold anchors in
the lower hoist. (Illustrated Crampton 1990
p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799 and National
Geographic 1917 p. 350, no. 595).
Norman Martin, 1998
The admiral's flag with a red border occupying 1/5th
of the length of the flag, outside of the cross. (Illustrated Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799 and National
Geographic 1917 p. 367, no. 1016).
Norman Martin, 1998
The admiral's flag with, at the center, a disk of
white in which is contained a rope circle and a downward pointing rope
sword. (Illustrated National Geographic
1917 p. 367, no. 1019).
Norman Martin, 1998
In the Admiralty Flag book of 1916 appears an illustration of Imperial
Germany's Chief of Naval Staff - shown without any black balls. There is
a note beneath this which reads: "As blazoned above, if of Admiral's rank
With one or two black balls in Canton or Cantons next the staff, if of
Vice Admirals or Rear Admirals rank as for the Admirals flag, Plate 87.
Is saluted according to the rank of Flag Officer as laid down in the
International Scale of Salutes."
Plate 87 shows the rank flags of the various Admirals.
- Chief of Naval Staff; Admiral
- Chief of Naval Staff; Vice-Admiral
- Chief of Naval Staff; Rear-Admiral
The earliest illustration of this flag I have seen is the 1905 Flaggenbuch,
and presumable these were no longer flown after 1918.
Martin Grieve, 2 Oct 2008
The admiral's flag with an imperial crown on 2 crossed
batons at the center of the flag. (Illustrated Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799 and National
Geographic 1917 p. 367, no. 1015).
Norman Martin, 1998
In the 1889 edition of Album des Pavillon, plate IV fig.4 shows a square
white flag defaced with the Iron cross and 4 red anchors arranged diagonally
with flukes toward the centre. It is titled "Chef de l'amirauté"
Perhaps this is "Chief of the Admiralty"? I would appreciate any information
on this flag.
Martin Grieve, 5 Oct 2008
In [sig12] flagchart 23; row 4 column
1 I found a very similar flag. I believe it is the same as yours. It is
underlined as "Marineminister, später Chef der Admiralität 1865-1869",
i.e. "minister of navy later chief of admiralty". As German Empire was
established in 1871, it has to be a flag of Prussia or perhaps North German
Federation instead. The author Rud SIEGEL was a German admiral.
Therefore I think his underlining is dependable.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 5 Oct 2008
On a white field a narrow Iron Cross whose
arms reach the edge of the flag. On a three-master, flown from the top
mast by an admiral, from the fore mast by a vice-admiral, from the rear
mast by a rear-admiral; on a two-master from the rear mast by an admiral,
from the fore mast by a vice-admiral. This flag was probably in use as
early as 1867, certainly by the mid 1880s and has continued in use until
today, except for the few years in which there
was no German Navy, and for East Germany from
1945 until 1990. As far as I know, the complex rule on officer's flags
expired with the end of the Empire. Illustrated in Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799, National
Geographic 1917 p. 350, no. 596 and Flaggenbuch
1939 p. 4.
Norman Martin, 1998
Until when was the Prussian (later German) Admiralflagge used
for all admirals [admirals, vice-admirals and rear-admirals]?.
Santiago Dotor, 10 Oct 2000
Meyer's Encyclopedia early in the century said: Auf Dreimastern führt
der Admiral diese flagge im Großtopp, der Vizeadmiral im Vortopp, der Konteradmiral
im Kreuztopp; auf zweimastigen Schiffen führt der Admiral sie im hintern,
der Vizeadmiral im vordern Mast.
Note that at this time the rank flags with black balls had already
been adopted. On 29 October 1904, the usage referred to was discontinued
in favor of the black balls. Note that the black balls were already in
use for single mast ships.
Norman Martin, 11 Oct 2000
Also on boats and, in the case of the rear admiral's flag, on two-masted ships, according to the Flags of Maritime Nations 1899 and the British Admiralty's Drawings of the Flags in Use at the Present Time by Various Nations 1916. Note that the Admiralty book was still describing the use of the plain Iron Cross flag for all three ranks depending on the mast it was hoisted on 12 years after Norman Martin reports it as having been dropped. I wonder if British naval intelligence was just slow on the uptake or if usage had not caught up with regulations?
Drawings of the Flags in Use at the
Present Time by Various Nations 1916 also says that German ships
of the 2nd Squadron of the Battle Fleet used red instead of black balls
on vice and rear admirals' flags. Flags
of Maritime Nations 1870 indicates the same system being used for
French, British, and US flag officers - tricolor, St. George, and 13 red
and white stripes respectively, flown at main, fore, or mizzen for admiral,
vice admiral and rear admiral, with additional charges (stars or balls)
added only for use aboard boats and tenders. In Flags
of Maritime Nations 1882 the US had dropped this system but UK
and France still used it. France had dropped it in Flags
of Maritime Nations 1899.
Joseph McMillan, 11 Oct 2000
Regarding naval rank flags in the past, it was common practice until
the mid-to-late nineteenth century for admirals of any grade (admiral,
vice admiral, rear admiral) to fly the same flag, their grade being distinguished
by its being hoisted at the mainmast (admiral), foremast (vice admiral),
or mizzenmast (rear admiral). Variations in the basic design were adopted
originally for use in boats (where there was no way to differentiate ranks
by hoisting the flag at different locations) and later carried over to
use aboard ship as developments in ship design progressively eliminated
one or two of the traditional three masts. As a result, between about 1860
and 1890 you will find all major navies moving to the modern system of
a different flag for each grade.
Joseph McMillan, 16 Oct 2001
Schlawe 1913 - published by Moritz
Ruhl, who also published the Flaggenbuch
1905 for the German Navy - shows and describes the vice
admiral's and rear admiral's flags with black balls
as still used only in ships with less than three masts and in boats. In
three-masted ships, Schlawe still has the plain admiral's flag used for
all ranks, with distinction between them reflected by hoisting on the main,
fore, or mizzen mast. Norman Martin says above that this system
was discontinued in 1904, presumably by the Flaggen-, Salut- und Besuchsordnung
of that year, which is listed at the beginning of Schlawe
1913 as one of its sources.
Joseph McMillan, 6 Dec 2001
The admiral's flag with a black ball in the upper
hoist. Used only for one-mast ships during the Empire.
This flag was probably in use as early as 1867, certainly by the mid 1880s
and has continued in use until today, except
for the few years in which there was no German Navy, and for East
Germany from 1945 until 1990. Illustrated in Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799, National
Geographic 1917 p. 350, no. 597 and Flaggenbuch
1939 p. 4.
Norman Martin, 1998
The diameter of the black disc should be 9/50ths of the flag's height,
according to Flaggenbuch 1939.
Santiago Dotor, 25 May 2000
The admiral's flag with a black ball in the upper
hoist and one in the lower hoist. Used only for one-mast ships during the
Empire. This flag was probably in use as early
as 1867, certainly by the mid 1880s and has continued in use until today,
except for the few years in which there was no German Navy, and for East
Germany from 1945 until 1990. Illustrated in Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799, National
Geographic 1917 p. 350, no. 598 and Flaggenbuch
1939 p. 4.
Norman Martin, 1998
The diameter of the black discs should be 9/50ths of the flag's height,
according to Flaggenbuch 1939.
Santiago Dotor, 25 May 2000
White swallow-tailed flag with narrow Iron
Cross in hoist, extending to inner point of swallow tail. Also used
by the senior officer of a unit. This flag was probably in use as early
as 1867, certainly by the mid 1880s and continued in use until 1945. Illustrated
in Crampton 1990 p. 42, Meyers
Konversations-Lexikon 1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799, National
Geographic 1917 p. 350, no. 600 and Flaggenbuch
1939 p. 5.
Norman Martin, 1998
Same as the Commodore's Pennant, but hung from a
point [i.e. displayed with the hoist attached to a crossbar, like a vexillum].
This flag was probably in use as early as 1867, certainly by the mid 1880s
and continued in use until 1945. Illustrated Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799 and Flaggenbuch
1939 p. 5. This flag has continued in use by the federal
navy for the Squadron Commander although the rank of Commodore no longer
exists.
Norman Martin, 1998
White triangular pennant with narrow Iron
Cross in hoist. This flag was probably in use as early as 1867, certainly
by the mid 1880s and has continued in use until today,
except for the few years in which there was no German Navy, and for East
Germany from 1945 until 1990. (Illustrated Crampton
1990 p. 42, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon
1912 vol. 4, facing p. 799, National
Geographic 1917 p. 350, no. 600 and Flaggenbuch
1939 p. 4).
Norman Martin, 1998
A black-white-red burgee pennant. Schlawe
1913 - published by Moritz Ruhl, who also published the Flaggenbuch
1905 for the German Navy - labels this flag as Führerstander,
categorizes it as an Unterschiedungszeichen [distinguishing sign/flag]
and describes its use on page 129 as: Wenn zwei oder mehrere Kriegsschiffe
- einshl. der Torpedoboote - vorübergehend zu Uebungen oder sonstigem militärischen
Zussamenwirken auf Anordnung eines Seebefehlshabers zusammentreten, so
hat der mit der Führung beauftragte Offizier für die Dauer der Führung
der ihm unterstellten Schiffe auf dem Führerschiff den Führerstander zu
setzen, sofern er nicht zur Führung eines Rangabzeichens, des Flotillen-
oder des Divisionstanders berechtigt und hierdurch an sich als Führer kenntlich
ist.
Which I think means, in summary, that the officer temporarily in charge
of a group of two or more ships given a special assignment -i.e.,
a task group - flies the Leader's Pennant to identify his ship if he is
not otherwise entitled to a rank flag or a flotilla or division command
pennant.
This pennant was formerly shown on FOTW as 'Navy Minister's flag' by
mistake. Firstly, there was no Navy Minister in the German Empire,
the more-or-less equivalent position being State Secretary
of the Imperial Navy Office (Staatsekretär des Reichs-Marine-Amts),
who was an admiral and had his own flag. Secondly, this
burgee is as explained above the distinguishing flag for a task group leader.
Joseph McMillan, 6 Dec 2001